My first car was a 1972 Dodge Dart. It was a shade of green that I’m not sure how to even describe. It was a monster. My high school girlfriend called it, “the Monster.” It’s also safe to say that I really miss that car. I had the 2 door Swinger. It was beautiful. (Note: mine did not look this good… it was old by the time I got it.)
Even though the new Dodge Dart and the old Dart don’t look anything alike I’ve been a really big fan of the new Dart commercials. Particularly this one:
And really, it’s just the first few lines that I’m a big fan of:
Wanna make a great car interior? Stop looking at car interiors. Get inspired by other stuff.
And it’s surprisingly hard. Sometimes in gaming there is this painful feeling that, “it’s all been done.” I mean, whenever I look at a game I find myself making the same old comparisons… “oh that’s just a D&D clone” or “well, it’s just FATE the way FATE wishes it was.” You know, that kind of thing. And with Edition wars all the rage in so many games it’s hard sometimes to remember what we’re even annoyed about. I mean, I already hate Shadowrun 5th edition and I know next to nothing about it. And I will give it a read when it comes out, to be fair. But I’m off-topic.
I’ve been working on a diceless game for about a while now. I took a break from it because of job-stuff but I’ve been diving back in. I’m thrilled that there are some other folks out there other than me who still love diceless gaming… The Lords of Gossamer and Shadow kickstarter just ended and I’ll say that I ended up as a backer. It’s a good feeling to support diceless games hitting the market.
But even as I’ve been pondering my game that I’m trying to create I was blown away to see this (from another kickstarter as it happens…) and the short version is, Exalted 3 combat is going to involve combat momentum and the gaining of advantage to allow for the combat to move forward in novel ways. I sat there and shook my head in wonderment. This is exactly what I was writing (from a diceless perspective) and far from feeling cheated or any sense of outrage I was in awe of how ideas come into focus over time and people who read a lot of games and play a lot of games start to have this feeling that something is… missing, weird, could be done a different way? I think this happens in our hobby quite often. I mean, just look at the whole “story game” revolution. Look at the GM-less games that have cropped up and call themselves RPGs. [Aside: I am biased against this notion, but they are entitled to call themselves whatever they want.]
Here’s the first part of my notes about momentum as I worked to think my way through it’s usefulness as a game mechanic… these are incredibly raw but clearly going in the same direction as the Ex3 idea.
Idea of Momentum
Combat Momentum works such that players build up MP (momentum points) that can be spent to accomplish tasks.
• MP can be spent against any enemy. One pool per character used as they see fit.
• Opponents have different MT (momentum thresholds) representing what break points allow Knockout.
• Soft Opponents can be auto-knocked and generate no momentum
• MP gained from Hard Opponents can be spent to eliminate soft opponents.
• Damage is all equal.
• Armor is still in question(?)
• PCs must spend MP to disengage from an opponent or the opponent can take a free attack.
• MP can be spent to do more than be banked for knockout – they can be used to disarm, to psych out an opponent, to disengage, to protect a friend, to knockout out soft targets, perform heroic movements… and other stuff (what these maneuvers do is still up in the air).
• Total momentum can be pooled between PCs to hit a total on a tough monster but PCs must all act in the turn of the slowest initiative to do it.
• MP are earned by doing “damage.” Basically, weapon damage + margin of success.
• Instead of momentum adding up to eventually KO an opponent – each opponent has a certain number of “thresholds (?)” and these must each be met to defeat that opponent. Tougher opponents have higher thresholds for KO.
It might be useful to have players track pools of Momentum with tokens of some sort. This would be one of those ideas about making players feel like they’re participating in the combat – passing tokens back and forth – but of course, tokens are not required. Scrap paper will do just as well.
A couple of other things to keep in mind. How does poison work? How does this fit with ranged attacks? And I have this idea that momentum can be spent on defense – but you can’t generate new momentum with defense.
My primary worry is how to set thresholds for defeating an opponent that don’t simply encourage taking an opponent out as quick as possible.
It’s possible that gear/fighting styles/fatigue/stuff… could change the thresholds – which encourages a PC to spend energy (momentum) disarming opponents or messing up their gear or fatiguing them to make it possible to KO them.
This has merit.
Soooooo…. Here’s an idea. Or, a pair of ideas (ish).
First, what if Momentum doesn’t build up into a pool? What if you have to use whatever momentum you build up each turn as you gather it (or you lose it)? This would make it a much more “use it now” resource.
The maneuvers they spend the lesser momentum on each turn though could be the “building blocks” I want – they can be used to improve your ability to generate momentum in following turns… so, for example, feigning, or bluffing, or acrobatics, or small wounds, could improve the ability to generate further momentum – along with having other special effects. This would be building toward a maneuver called “Overwhelm” which would be the equivalent of the final killing blow or knocking the opponent out… or some sort of “Decisive Moment.”
Also, maybe (maybe) allow PCs to carry momentum from one turn over to another (but only once) and they might (?) lose a point for delaying? Or some other penalty for not using momentum as it is earned.
Finally – my other thought was to potentially allow a maneuver that reduces a fighter’s ability to generate momentum in following turns. Or specifically – a maneuver that allows a fighter to remove momentum from a fighter who carries it over from a previous turn?
This has actually spawned another thought… since Momentum isn’t about “hit points” or “life force” then it’s entirely functional to have maneuvers based on social or mental rolls… so you could have “tactical” maneuvers or “insults, goads, taunts” and other stuff that can build momentum while at the same time having specific effects in turns… This is good, need to keep ruminating. Thinking this way would also make the “roguish fighter” or the “smart fighter” have a bigger range of options in combat while still generating momentum. I like it.
Ultimately, I worked back through this idea and scrapped most of it because it seemed that “momentum” based combat actually exacerbated the worst aspects of gaming combat rather than improving them. It will be interesting to see what the Exalted 3 combat system ends up looking like. I’m excited at the possibilities. I’ve been ruminating on how to use “Momentum” for about two years now and it always comes back to the question, for me, of the hit point problem. The reason hit points work is because hit points are simple, can represent in a narrative, abstract fashion what this will do in a systematic and mechanical fashion, and ultimately – in games where stats turn every encounter into a math problem – it always seems that the best course of action is the one that ends with the enemies dead the fastest.
Nonetheless – I’m fascinated by the way we often see new ideas trickle into gaming. I’m fascinated by the way ideas come to life and we end up with new ways of doing the same things over and over again. It’s not a bad thing, it’s one of the most amazing aspects of our little hobby.
Thanks for reading.
PS… Oh, alright, I’ll admit it, I was a little bitter when I read that post… but just a little.
So, I’ve decided to give running Arcanum another go. It’s a good game to run over a summer and it’s a perfect fit for my “Blighted World” setting I made up a couple years ago. But as I’ve been rereading the game I’m stunned by the number of things I simply didn’t remember, didn’t understand, or completely ignored when I was younger.
First off, don’t get me wrong, this game is a constant favorite and is always in the back of my mind. It’s just full of really random stuff sometimes. Sometimes when I’m reading this I can hear the author almost talking and sometimes I’m reading and asking myself… is that really how that’s supposed to work? As is, in my experience, common with games from the early days of the hobby, especially D&D-types, it’s interesting to get that sense of what the author thought important to cover in their game. It’s so difficult to get any sort of authorial voice in most modern games (well, the mass-produced ones) because they are: 1) mass produced, 2) team efforts, and 3) have multiple departments they pass through before they ever get to the printer. Reading this game is a very different experience.
I’m a big fan of the occasional asides where the author compares notes with the real world. The discussion of longbows, for instance, is awesome. But there are some very interesting bits tucked away in this game that are alternately awesome and confusing.
Take the Charlatan class, for example. The Charlatan is this wacky hodge-podge spell caster who is also part thief and part performer. A Charlatan can acquire a ridiculous number of abilities along with spell casting (though their spell casting is never at greater than level 1 ability). I completely misunderstood this note for almost the entire time I’ve been playing the game, by the way. Charlatans are a little less awesome now, in terms of raw ability, but are still my favorite class in the game. Ignoring their spell casting ability, you also find that…
All first level charlatans begin with the same abilities as a first level magician. Thereafter, a charlatan may become proficient in any 1 additional thieving or performing skill per level of ability gained. Optionally, a charlatan may forego the learning of any two such skills in favor of gaining first level skill in any magical field of study (except Divine Magic). In lieu of any single performing or thieving Skill, a charlatan may also opt to acquire proficiency in any new weapon, or may acquire a + 1 to hit with any known weapon (see Skills: Weapon Training).
How is that not awesome?
Nowhere does it say that those +1′s to hit don’t stack either… so it’s possible you could become really, really accurate if you wanted. And there’s all kinds of stuff like this in the book. Just little pockets of crazy ****. It’s actually refreshing.
Of course, you might be accurate but how hard do you hit? Well, that’s actually a question for everyone. In the Atlantean system fighters are rated as Highly Trained, Skilled, and Untrained. It says in the explanation of Highly Trained fighters that…
Highly trained fighters (such as warriors, paladins, etc.) gain bonuses of +1 to hit and +1 damage per every two levels of ability gained.
…but in the class write-ups the warriors, paladins, etc. only list a +1 to hit, mentioning nothing about damage. I’ve actually never used the +1 to damage bonus – but looking at the Weapon Specialization skill, it also grants a bonus to damage that increases with level (which means that high level Martial Artists would be terrifying). I’ll admit, I’m conflicted about which way to rule this and how I feel about it.
I could go on… there is so much to love and so much to ponder as I prepare myself to dive into this game again. I’m deeply looking forward to the experience and when I get it a little more put together I’ll throw some of it up here.
It’s gonna be a fun ride. Welcome to Arcanum.
I wrote my first game back sometime around 1988. It was this weird class project I packed in a JCPenny’s shirt box for a class project. It was called Slang Wars and it was a cardboard chit, Avalon Hill style wargame that had to do with the battle between “proper speaking” and “slang.” I was in love with the Afrika Korps game from Avalon Hill that was the first “real” wargame that I ever played and so it trickled into my game design. Of course, I was also still very young and my experience with other games consisted almost solely of Moldvay D&D and Monopoly. Thanks to my Granny I also loved Kismet – and the D6 is still my favorite die type…
Seriously though, I am not a professional game designer. I don’t even consider myself an amateur game designer really but I have written a few games over the years and done a LOT of tinkering with other games. Some of that tinkering I’ll be writing about in my next few posts (I’ve been working with some of my old notes from Arcanum – thinking about running it for a short term game). Digging for those notes led me to some of my other old game design notebooks and I stumbled across this little bit that I would have written sometime around 2000-2002 (when I was working on the first incarnations of what would become Legends of Ryllia), “A roleplaying game needs two basic things — an action resolution system and a more specific system for combat.” And underneath this I wrote, “BUT, what if you are building an epic fantasy RPG?” I went on to answer my own question…
The same elements apply but they need to inspire that epic feel. The game system itself should inspire the players the way the imaginary world inspires their characters.
At this point I was fairly disgusted with my younger self… I remember this period that I was deeply under the fanboy sway of designers like John Wick and I feel like I’m parroting him here… but I was redeemed! On the next page I found this…
I’ve run Amber for years and learned that game system means next to nothing when compared to the power of the interaction of player and gamemaster.
And that was the beginning I think, of my shift in thinking as a gamer. I realized that I really didn’t like system. I really don’t like mechanics… and this thought has continued to this day with some modifications.
My thoughts continued (and I’m probably boring the heck out of all of you but I find my past ruminations somewhat illuminating considering my current gaming funk) to evolve here and things were going swimmingly…
I want heroes leaping rooftops, I want swords flashing in the moonlight, I want demons, and slavers, and violence, and glory, and romance, and quiet lonely trails. In short, I want them [the players] to know what it feels like to be a legend.
I was proud of myself for this until I read what I wrote on the next line, “So how do I do this with my game system?” and then the notes turn into a series of diagrams as I try to plot out the complex interactions of a system that could give me what I want… I missed my own wisdom it seems. System cannot give me what I want. Only engagement gives me the gaming experience that I want. But it seems I was still more under the influence of Wick and the Storygamers more than I thought I was. (Wick and the Storygamers should totally be a geek band.)
Speaking of John Wick, he recently published another of his Play Dirty videos and he makes the statement, “most roleplaying games, the character sheet protects the player from the gamemaster.” Now, I may not be a fanboy anymore but I’m still a fan of John Wick. He’s doing his thing, he’s successful, he’s good at it, and even if I’m not a fan of his mechanics or his motives, I still love to read his stuff because his worlds and creations are always so fantastically passionate and just plain interesting. But his statement there rubs me wrong. And I’m not sure if it’s because I disagree that what he says is true or that I know it is and that’s what upsets me so much…
That little tidbit from his video was part of what inspired this post because, well, one I wish I was brave enough to do some video posts – they look like fun, but also, because I’ve always had a really different vision of a character sheet.
I see the character sheet as two things. First, I see it as a wish list. When you pick out the stuff that you put on your character sheet I see it as saying, “Look at me, this is what I want to be able to do in the game world.” I see it as your best chance, before play begins and the world and your experiences begin to shape you (as they inevitably should), to have a little alone time with your character and really put some thinking into what you want out of the experience of this game. You want to be a super-athlete, you buy a lot of physical skills and jumping and stuff. You want to be a grim-eyed warrior you do that… and so on. This is probably not that surprising to most gamers. I bet I’m not alone in this part of how I see a character sheet. The second function I see a character sheet serving though is a bit different (maybe, who knows?). I see a character sheet as a contract with the game – and with the other people at the table – that you are planning to play a certain way and be a certain way. They need that information to be reliable to you so that your representation is reliable to them. If you play a chaotic good rogue with an 8 Wisdom in a Pathfinder game then I certainly don’t expect you to be the calm, slow-playing, careful member of the group who is always the first to slow down the action and make the deep plans. Maybe that’s just me – but I feel like you’ve set an expectation with your choice to deal away your common sense and willpower (lower Wisdom) for advantages somewhere else and by taking a Chaotic alignment. That’s just a quick example off the top of my head and maybe not the best one but it makes something of the point.
I see the character sheet not as a defensive wall but as the first, most honest point of interaction between the player and the game. And I realized that when I designed my game, Legends of Ryllia, I deeply tried to accomplish that – but I failed because I kept letting mechanics get in the way without considering the message what I was doing might be sending. By making everything about “bonuses and penalties” I failed to connect the dots on the exactly what I wanted to accomplish.
And now, with about a decade more of gaming behind me I find that I’ve moved even farther in the direction of engagement over rules – but I still have no idea how to make that idea live. Like I said, I’m not a game designer…
As always, thanks for reading (especially today!)
Everway is a game with a very odd and special place in my heart. Everway came out in 1995 and it was firmly in what I think of as my “second phase” as a gamer. I started playing OD&D in 1983 and pretty much played nothing but D&D until about 1992. I mean, I had picked up a clone or two – like Bard Games’ Arcanum – but it was mostly D&D. In about 1992 I started going to cons, had a reliable gaming store (or three), and had a couple new groups to play with other than the guys I started playing with. And suddenly, gaming as a hobby really grew for me. And I discovered diceless play. Everway was my second diceless game – after Amber – and I learned more about gaming than I really expected. Everway was both fascinating and disappointing in equal measure – and so I’d like to explore with you the fantastic reality that is Everway.
A Quick Overview
First of all, Everway is not a game with a defined setting (well, maybe it does but let’s table that). Everway has all the settings. PCs in Everway travel the worlds (called Realms) and have adventures in many different places. You can have any kind of vibe you want in Everway – dark, light, fantastical, faery-tale, whatever, it’s all there. Everway challenges the notion of setting by being open-ended in that regard. I fell in love with Everway a little because of this open setting approach. I was already indoctrinated by Amber into the concept of Shadows and D&D had a demi-plane of well, everything, so this open-setting was familiar and also refreshing.
Everway is tradition in the sense that you have players and a GM. The roles are clearly defined and you get all the standard injunctions at the beginning of the player book, “Don’t read the adventure,” “Don’t look at the Quest Cards,” and all that. And, oh, right, Everway uses cards. A lot of cards. I should probably have mentioned, Everway was produced by Wizards of the Coast. Wizards of the Coast is good at cards.
When writing these, it is always a challenge to balance writing at length about the system for completeness and clarity vs. writing more narratively about what the system does… in Everway’s case I think I’ll be better served with the second approach, so apologies. Everway characters are built with a Name, a Motive, a Virtue, Fault, and Fate, four Elements (think Attributes here), and then various Powers and Magic. It was the 90′s after all, so all that Virtue, Fault, and Fate stuff fits in perfectly.
The Elements are further described on the character sheet (the sheets are very pretty and visually interesting as well as useful) and provide a player with ideas about how the elements interact. The junction of Earth and Fire, for example, includes words like, Power, Active, and Passive. Fire is Action and Earth is Might. It’s a fascinating piece of gaming communication, reinforcing the game part while keeping story and possibility forefront as well.
The game is played like a very narrative RPG. Most of what happens is give and take with the GM and other players and occasional pause in the action to determine successes and failures. For most simple tests the mechanic is really a fairly straightforward “how high is your X?” And action resolution is what I really want to spend a little time discussing as I transition into the next part…
What Excites Me About This Game
What excites me the most – in terms of my memories of this game and the joy of rereading it again – is the thoughtfulness put into action resolution. Action resolution in Everway follows three laws. To be fair, these “laws” pretty much apply to just about every RPG out there – but the way they are approached in Everway makes it worth mention.
The first law is the Law of Karma. This law of action resolution is the basic “how high is your X?” with a twist. The idea of this form of resolution is that the GM looks at the abilities of the character and determines if they are high enough – much like the Cthulhu Live system I discussed last time. The twist is, the Law of Karma also includes a dose of cosmic justice. In some ways, this is similar to the Good Stuff/Bad Stuff rules from the Amber DRPG but instead of players setting that number (initially) it is incumbent on how you play. If you are a villain, the universe begins to treat you like a villain. If you are kind and heroic, the universe begins to treat you like you are kind and heroic. Not always – and not in all ways – but well, sometimes what you do will come back to you… you know, Karma.
The second law is the Law of Drama. This is the bugbear of all players, it is the dreaded “needs of the plot” Law. Well, sorta. The Law of Drama is the game’s explanation and tacit approving nod to GMs to do what they need to for the sake of moving the story along – but they are also cautioned and given interesting guidance in applying this power. To be honest – invoking the law of drama is pretty much how I run Amber. I will constantly invent ideas on the fly and fling them at the characters. I’ll see what sticks and what doesn’t and see what works and what doesn’t and then start all over again. It’s quite satisfying and I’ve rarely heard complaints from Amber players – but the advice in this chapter, while not groundbreaking, is comforting for a GM who may not feel as safe working without a net.
Finally, the third law. This is the Law of Fortune and is the game’s concession to randomness. Everway comes with a deck of cards called “the Fortune Deck” which in many ways resembles a Tarot deck with cards having meanings and reversed meanings. Players may draw from the Fortune Deck (one card only please) to shape and determine outcomes. You are trusting to fortune that what you draw will be in your favor… and well, sometimes it isn’t. I was a fan of this when I read it. I used it for a time, got caught up in the fun of it. It’s not how I roll now – but it’s still an intriguing concept. I genuinely believe that an Amber game using some form of Trump reading to offset the truly diceless nature of the game would be interesting. Don’t get me wrong – I prefer purely random-less games, but with the central nature of the Trumps to the story and the family, this could have been fun.
Between the pages of the game taken up by the discussion of the Laws (and it’s quite a chunk of the book), I found a game that spoke to the budding diceless nut within me. I was emerging into the player I would become. I didn’t roleplay to check my skills – I wanted my skills to exist to help me tell a story. I wanted my skills to give me a guideline for play, not set limits. It’s a fine distinction – but I was feeling it already then.
There is a short bit at the beginning of the book, under the heading, “In What Way Is It a Game?” that I want to share (and I’ve omitted some bits for space, but this is the meat),
Like any game, Everway has rules. These rules let the people playing know what to expect from each other and how to interact with each other. When playing Everway, however, nobody wins or loses. the point is to play and to keep playing… Indeed, many of the rules are simply suggestions for how to play… No one loses when the players win. Indeed, any victory is followed quickly by another set of challenges so the story of these heroes and their adventures can go on indefinitely… Much of the joy of roleplaying comes from portraying a character or imagining new worlds and possibilities, regardless of whether the hero defeats the villains or is vanquished by them.
For a young player, emerging from D&D and GURPS into Amber and Everway, those words were like a breath of fresh air. Not that D&D is bad mind you – I still play and love D&D today – but this, well, it’s what I’d been looking for ever since I sat down with the Last Unicorn and heard Schmendrick say, “there are no happy endings, because nothing ever ends.”
If you ever have a way, check out Everway – you might never play it but it is a fascinating part of the story of gaming and a great read. And as always, thanks for reading.
Apologies… it took me longer to get this going than I intended. Anyway, here’s my first attempt at my exploration of diceless games – I’m starting with a clear favorite and I’d love some feedback on what you think I might do differently to make this endeavor as worthwhile as possible. Well – enough chat – thanks for reading.
I’m not really much of a LARP fan. I’ve done the big LARP groups – like the Camarilla – and I’ve done the little LARPs – the one-shots at cons – and really, as a gamer, I don’t get what I want from LARP-style play. But as I embarked on the idea of really exploring games without dice I knew I wanted to write about the original World of Darkness LARP system, Mind’s Eye Theater.
I’d love to have been a fly on the wall when the creative team was designing this game system. Who was the first guy who said, “Hey, let’s just have them play Rock-Paper-Scissors.” And how long do you think it took the rest of the team to stop laughing and realize this person was totally serious? And totally awesome.
Don’t get me wrong. Mind’s Eye Theater is not perfect in its execution of many of the WoD games. I know this is true but it doesn’t change the fact that this game blew my mind the first time I read it. Combining a trait system with a simplistic mechanic like RPS is a great idea. And the ways they created permutations to that system to allow it to be robust and engaging kept me reading and thinking about the system for a long time. Heck, I’ve given away almost every WoD book from my gaming collection – but I’ve held on to my LARP books just because I’m constantly drawn back to them.
A Quick Overview of the System
For those who don’t know the system I’m going to sketch a (very) brief outline of the main points and a few of the ways the system tweaks that basic system to make it do so many things.
Characters in MET are made up of descriptive traits in three categories: Physical, Mental, and Social. So your physical traits might describe your character as Quick, Agile, Wiry, and Tough. Each of these traits would also be given a sense of what type of tests they would be appropriate for. So when a physical test for a footrace was called for (for example), Quick might be appropriate but Tough likely isn’t. For a test that involves scaling a skyscraper? Maybe neither one of them really works.
Players initiate or respond to contests by bidding these traits. So a player who wants to run away from another character could say, “I run away. I’m Quick enough to run from you.” That player has now risked the Quick trait on this test. The responding character could reply with, “Well, that’s great but I’m Fast and I can catch you.” (And by doing so bid a Fast trait.)
Once both players have bid they play a game of RPS against each other. The winner accomplishes his/her intent and keeps the risked trait. The loser not only loses the contest but also loses (temporarily) the use of the bid trait.
Beyond the basic trait bid-and-test; skills, powers, and other miscellaneous factors can come into play. So, let’s say that the racer who lost test above had the Athletics skill. That player could call for a Retest (game term) because they have an appropriate skill. The two would play another round of RPS.
Powers often had greater effects. For example: Potence (the strength power of Vampires) allowed the use of the Bomb symbol in Rock-Paper-Scissors. The Bomb beats everything except Scissors.
There was also a fantastic concept of Overbidding – a way in which a powerful character who clearly should just blow away a lesser challenge could for all intents and purposes simply declare a victory.
Equipment and some other factors could play a role but that was the meat of the system.
Why It Impresses Me So Much
It’s a little difficult to explain why this impressed me so much. One part is the raw simplicity of it all. Another is the cleverness of a mechanic that doesn’t require a player to bring anything except a character sheet to the game – because their resolution system is done with their hands. I’m a huge fan of simplicity and mostly-empty game tables for sure, but my fascination goes deeper. When I read the game for the first time I was struck by how useful the trait system was – how powerful a tool for characterization this could be. Your character was defined by a series of descriptive words you chose based on the types of tests you wanted to be particularly good at while also allowing you to build a convincing image of your character. The descriptors did double duty as both game mechanic and fluff. Far too often in games I see the ability scores devalued as description, instead only becoming numbers and modifiers. This may not be a problem for some but it tends to make me a little crazy. In practice, I know that this idea of using the traits to describe your character didn’t always work out so well – there were a lot of reasons I didn’t enjoy my tenure with the Cam… but the idea is elegant and solid.
To turn those descriptors into resources was such a simple concept. I’m impressed by the way that resource management remains an aspect of the play – but without a lot of complicated tracking. Risk a trait, lose a trait. No fuss. And the concept allowed you to use the same resolution mechanic for any sort of contest. You didn’t need a complicated set of social encounter rules, for example. You just played your character and when it was time to test – you just did it and moved on. Additionally, that resource management allowed for concepts like “fatigue” and “second winds” to be abstracted in clever ways such that it all became a part of the evolving story. More than anything I think, this ability to blend the mechanical play and the story play is what makes MET stand out for me.
When I read Laws of the Night for the first time I was in my days of really exploring games beyond D&D and GURPS. I had entered my first phase of wanting to read and devour every game I could get my hands on – from Teenagers from Outer Space to Battletech to Amber and everything in between. I just wanted to know everything I could about this wacky hobby that still dominates my thinking most of the time. The combination of simplicity, fluff, mechanical cleverness, and unique play inspired me. Laws of the Night changed the way I thought about the hobby and my own gaming. And I think now, years later, I appreciate it more than I did then. Heck, when running WoD games, I stopped using the tabletop systems altogether and I just use the LARP system at the table. It works surprisingly well.
Does It Matter?
I’m not sure it does. I’m still exploring this whole concept of what I hope to accomplish with this exploration of games without dice. But MET is a truly elegant game at its core and is well worth tracking down and reading for anyone interested in diceless play or game design. There is a great deal to learn from this game even now, when it has been abandoned and replaced by the very people who created it.
This post is representative of a lot of my thinking but is also inspired by my recent Amber campaign and in its current form, by this post at MiddleageDM. I really enjoyed his post about alternative goals in combat that lead to different tactics and different outcomes instead of “kill the other guy.” I’ve been thinking similar thoughts but on a much more “specific” scale.
I’m thinking about this on the character vs. character scale. When I watch a good action movie – that is, one where the fighting is actually visible and visually interesting instead of waist-up, close-up, chaotic camera angles – I’m always struck by how, during the fight, each “action” has an intent beyond “I do 2 hp of damage to the guy.” It might be wrestling for a gun, defending a fallen comrade, trying to help someone else out, or trying to just keep an opponent busy… Sometimes it’s all about killing the other guy as fast and brutally as possible. Ultimately, in these action sequences, the stakes are greater than just killing the other guy. Often, the other elements of the ongoing story make it unlikely that one or the other of the participants actually wants to just kill the other. And, the reason they spend so much time wrestling over weapons is that weapons end fights. You might not be dead but getting shot or stabbed creates a real problem for the hero.
Some games systems make a good stab at this with specific combat rules. Games have “combat maneuvers” (by whatever name you wish to call them) to help codify some of these types of things — “I need to get past that dude so I’ll try an overrun.” “I need to stop that guy so I’ll grapple” (no one ever grapples…). That sort of thing. Even D&D3e and Pathfinder jumped on that idea. 4th Edition D&D approached it from a different angle by codifying the sort of maneuvers and intents your character is good at into your role. If you are a defender you are far better at protecting your comrades than say, the Striker.
Other games are a lot more freeform – like Shadowrun. Even though there are defined sets of “actions” you can really say whatever you want in a scene… If you want to stand over a fallen comrade and attack whoever comes near, you can say you are doing that. Ultimately though, the rules themselves offer little structural support for this kind of work. Mostly, it has to be improvised because it deviates from the “attack to do damage” sequence which most typifies gaming combat.
I’m sure other games are even better about this. But I’ve realized that this is one of the reasons I love my diceless play. Because when there are no rolls, no combat actions baked into the system, no combat expectations to build on, players will get creative… they have to, no one is handing them a list and saying pick an option or a variation on an action… instead they have to really explain what they want to accomplish… and what consequences they are willing to accept to take that action. And that’s what I love. Players can micromanage combat from the point of view of intent and “what they want to accomplish” rather than from the complicated interactions of rules and random outcomes.
And this is what I’m working on for my own diceless game – something that will bring this more explicitly to light. I’m really excited about where I’m going with this and I’m hoping it will be of interest to, well, someone…
But all kidding aside… I know it’s not for everyone. But this works for me. I love the kind of play that appears when combat is more about what you want to accomplish – and not just overall, but on a round-to-round basis – than the mechanics of how you accomplish it.
For now, back to the grindstone.
As always, thanks for reading.
So my last post was all about a fishing analogy… and as it turns out I feel as if I was definitely asking the wrong question. In that post I was asking the question – what do we really mean by Gaming in an RPG and what do we actually need in a game. As it turns out, Kevin from KORPG had a really good answer waiting for me – and an article I read gave me a better handle on the question I really wanted to ask than my ruminations on the act of fishing.
My wife sent me this article about the new E-book by Mark Z. Danielewski because she knows how much I enjoyed “House of Leaves” a few years ago. I won’t go into all my feelings about the article or the forthcoming e-book other than to say that it really doesn’t seem like my cup of tea. Now, there might be some folks out there who will love this kind of thing – and more power to them – I’m not saying it doesn’t have it’s own merits… but it’s definitely not for me. As a friend of mine likes to say, “some folks like 3D movies… some folks like movies.” Okay, that second one is a little more judge-y than I mean to be. I just realized, as I was reading the article that the reading experience was – for me – more about interacting with the words through my imagination rather than having the author manipulate those words with special effects – no matter how slick those effects might be from a technology standpoint. And so what he plans to do with “The Fifty Year Sword” seems very, very gimmicky and silly to me and would probably not “enhance” my reading experience. I’m actually almost certain that when words start falling off the page I might actually just be more annoyed than anything else.
But in terms of gaming – I tried to ask a similar question, “What does a game really need to be a game – or – what does a gaming experience really need to be a gaming experience?” I think now this was the wrong question. I think what I was really trying to ask was, “How can a game be created to give everyone involved – players and GMs – what they need to feel that they have gotten a good gaming experience?” I’m probably still not expressing that as well as I’d like to because I realize that it’s nigh impossible for game to be all things to all people. I get that. But I have found over the years that quite often, games can provide a wide range of players a great experience even if the core of the game doesn’t immediately fit their preferred play style.
I want to strip this question bare and really dig my teeth into it a little bit. I have two games I’m actively working on right now in my free time and I find myself stumped, vexed you might even say, by this problem.
For example – I often find myself wondering how you can empower players without creating a corresponding sense of entitlement. I’ve often wondered how you can empower GMs without creating a corresponding sense of competition. I’ve found myself wondering many different things (those are just two of the more extreme examples) about how I approach the experience of gaming and how to share it without also demanding it. It’s a delicate line to walk and one I feel very comfortable with in “other people’s games” but one I struggle with when trying to give others my words.
I envy those who are capable of just putting their own vision of gaming forward and staking a case with it. Whether I agree with them or not, I envy that.
But Kevin, as I mentioned above, said something really enlightening (at least to me) that helped me shift my thinking a little…
Seek to understand how your system helps players commune and interface with “the game” and you’re on the right path.
This resonated with me because of the specific word choice. That word, “interface” is a really good word. I really like this idea. I think it’s an important idea. Interface. I’ve been thinking for a day about this idea of how thinking about how players interface with the game and use the game to interface with the GM (and the world/story) and it is something that we all (I think) do already – but rarely look at so directly.
I’m a think out loud kinda guy. I ruminate. I wonder. But I appreciate very much the insight of those around me because it’s often a little thing that can spark a better line of thinking. ANd sometimes you have to ask the wrong question to get the right answer.
Thanks for reading.
I know these two guys. I used to work with them had an experience that reminded me of them the other day. It’s about fishing. These two guys both liked fishing, and they’d talk about it at work all the time. For the sake of argument, let’s call these two guys “Rob” and “Grady.” The important thing is that both of them enjoyed fishing or – at least – talking about fishing. To be fair, I never went fishing with them so I’m not able to say with complete certainty whether either of them ever actually made it to water… I’ll just assume they do.
Rob was the kind of guy who was always bringing in catalogs of the newest, greatest fishing stuff. He’d go on and on about new lures and special kinds of reels, new materials, basically, he was really into the “stuff” of fishing. He constantly argued about the value of all the fantastic devices and fish-finders, and things with Grady… He’d go on and on about how his way was awesome and how all the stuff made him a better fisherman. And he was always looking for a new place to fish – a new spot.
Grady on the other hand was more of a traditionalist. Grady liked his old boat, and the same old lake, and the same old rod, and basically, just a chance to get away from it all and sit in peace for a restful while, drink a beer, commune with nature.
I don’t think the comparison needs much more exploration (or explanation) because I’m sure it’s pretty clear how this links to gaming. I’m not saying if Rob or Grady has the right of it – just that it’s sure nice to know that we gamer-types are not alone in this kind of division of desires in our preferred style of approaching our pastime. And all of the long, drawn-out conversations between Rob and Grady were at least grudgingly respectful – and despite my occasional outbursts concerning the state of gaming forums – we can often say the same between gamers. Heck, most of us probably fall somewhere in the middle.
The part that got to me though? I’m not actually sure either of these two actually enjoy fishing… I mean, when they talk about fishing, neither one of them actually ever discussed actually catching fish. And I suppose if you are concentrating on the very “dictionary” definition of “fishing” (“to catch or attempt to catch a fish” – dictionary.com) then claiming that either one of them actually cared much about fishing becomes a more difficult point to prove.
And I suppose that’s what is really on my mind. What is it we are doing when we talk about our pastime? What is “the act of gaming” and how would we give a “dictionary” definition of it? Can we, should we, does it matter?
More important – to me – is the idea of what does it take to make a game? What do we really need to “game.” I have a huge library of gaming stuff. And those gaming supplies range from well-loved to barely touched. My wife has her own gaming library which is slowing growing , and we both trend toward different games even though we do have some areas of overlap. But what’s in a game?
It’s on my mind because I had decided, last year, to work on my own game – to create a diceless game to play with my friends which would give me the joy and freedom I get with Amber while not carrying the connotations of Amber in terms of setting, etc. But the longer I worked on it – and I had some ideas I was happy with – the more I kept finding myself asking the question, “does my game need this?” I kept coming back to that idea… how much “stuff” does the game need to remain consistently, mechanically interesting while also not surrendering the freeform enjoyment so prevalent in the style I want to achieve?
And I ultimately shelved my idea because I didn’t find an answer I was happy with. Now that I’ve walked away for a bit though, I find myself really wanting to finish what I started. But I still find myself asking…
What’s in a game?
Three things. Yes, Panty Explosion Perfect is the title of an RPG. Yes, I’m worried about the kind of traffic that title might generate. No, as far as I can tell, the RPG’s title has little to nothing to do with the RPG itself…
That said, despite the title, P.E.P. (by atarashi games) is an intriguing little game. It’s a little digest-style book, about 50 pages, has examples of play in the form of comic strips, and it is about Japanese schoolgirls killing demons (who are also possibly psychic. The schoolgirls, not the demons…)
It’s a game that could be said to fall into the category of “FATE-lite” but I find that the mechanics don’t really bug me the way most FATE-style games do. Characters are made up of a name, 2 Details, a choice of Friend and Rival, and a Goal. In a way, there is also a relation to Fiasco here. In fact, if FATE and Fiasco had a baby, it might be P.E.P. but that starts to get really weird again.
Part of the Fiasco similarity stems from the fact that each game session revolves around a set number of scenes — 2 for each character. And effectively, it’s an almost diceless game. I say almost because most play simply goes on with each PC working through one of their scenes (or being involved in the scene of another PC) and they can simply declare what they are doing until… someone issues a challenge. The GM (called the Superintendent) and PC’s rival can declare challenges and force a player to roll for something. After rolling — and here’s where the narrative control bit comes in — if you succeed, your Friend determines what the outcome is. If you fail, your rival narrates the outcome. Oh, and your roll is harder or easier based on your popularity… go figure.
Play proceeds through the scenes, with challenges being called out, until the girls meet the Demon. At the heart of each session of P.E.P. is a confrontation with the Demon, the ultimate challenge. Players are working to achieve their character’s goal for the session (which can change every session) and to defeat the demon! Also, you can decide at any point to out yourself with a use of your PSYCHIC POWERS!
I’m probably not doing it justice — because the whole psychic schoolgirls genre is pretty lost on me — but from the point of view of admiring the simplicity and yet the completeness and interesting quirkiness of the rules set, I’m very impressed. To cram such an interesting game into such a slim book, to give it an interesting twist, and to marry concepts from two other games I’m not as fond of and have the whole come out as a game I’m actually interested in playing (despite the psychic schoolgirls) is amazing.
Ultimately, if you are a fan of simple but interesting rules, psychic schoolgirls, or panty explosions, this is probably a game you should check out. If you are interested in all three? Then this is exactly the game you have been waiting for. All kidding aside, it’s a very well-written game with cool, super-easy mechanics, an interesting twist on the limited session and narrative control, and it could easily be adapted beyond psychic demon-killing schoolgirls. I give it a 5 out of 5.
I’ve been reading and thinking about D&D Next since the newest playtest packet came out. I have a few further observations to share but I’ll start with pointing to a good read from this past week about Next. The Neuroglyph Games post makes good points and I agree with most everything he has to say. I think it’s fair to say that WotC is suffering from a lack of consumer trust. Probably the biggest sticking point for me to being excited about 5E or Next or whatever is that I just don’t really trust WotC as a company (I’m not sure I’m very fond of them) and I’m not really interested in continuing to support them.
That said — from what I’ve heard from GenCon and from Neuroglyph, as well as my own reading of the playtest materials — here’s what I see right now.
Compromise. Old School is “hot” right now. DCC made a splash, OSR games are popular, and WotC is capitalizing on this feeling. But at the same time, the 3e/4e player needs to be kept in the fold. So they appear to be trying to make everyone happy. Compromise rarely achieves this. Mostly, everyone ends up unhappy. Healing is one example of this. I find the variants to the Long Rest healing interesting but I have a problem with the whole thing too…
A Dash of Saga. Maybe I’m crazy, but when I look at how characters are constructed now in Next, I see a growth out of the Saga rules used for Star Wars Saga Edition mixed with the aforementioned OS sensibilities and compromises (mostly consisting of variants). When 4e was still in the “rumor” stage, I remember one of the big rumors being about how it would resemble Saga. If they had done this in the first place instead of waiting 4 years and having the PR nightmare of the 4e era (whether you like 4E or not, it’s been a PR nightmare for WotC). I also still see shades of C&C in the new system — enough that it bugs me.
Finally — well, I could say more but I’ll close it down — I think Neuroglyph brings out a very interesting talking point about Next. It’s that stuff about not “being in the business of writing rules.” It is again nice to see that Wizards may not be very good at doing but they are good at learning from others. Paizo already figured this out with their revamp of 3.5 into Pathfinder. Pathfinder has been around for years now and there are only — with this month’s release of Ultimate Equipment — five books of “CRUNCH” with the majority of what they produce being fluff, adventures, and supplements designed around their world with little in the way of “New Stuff!” 4E was saturated with a constant stream of player-focused product — not as much as original 3/3.5 to be sure, but definitely weighty. And then there was Essentials.
So. I think what reflecting on this teaches me is that, whether Next is a “good” game or not — and frankly that’s mostly about personal preference — I just have no faith in WotC and when I look at Next I see little more than a hodgepodge of stuff that doesn’t bring anything terribly exciting (to me) to the table. Ah well. To each their own – but I’m not getting much from Next.